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    The MEC is being threatened by ALPA National and management to ignore the pilots and give up the 8-Year Agreement on January 2nd.

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    Stop your mec!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    The MEC is being threatened by ALPA National and management to ignore the pilots and give up the 8-Year Agreement on January 2nd.
    Source?
    "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe, while Congress is in session." Mark Twain

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    source, common sense, past practices, history.

    need I say more.

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    Decertify alpa. NOW!!!

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    count me in for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    The MEC is being threatened by ALPA National and management to ignore the pilots and give up the 8-Year Agreement on January 2nd.
    Source. This isn't a time for BS.
    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

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    The source will be disclosed on January 2nd.

    Here is the bullet point rough outline of the letter ALPA National and management are currently drafting.

    The MEC realizes the pilots are angry and the MEC understands that many pilots believe ALPA should defend the 8-Year Agreement but ALPA has a legal obligation to protect the jobs of the American Eagle pilots. Management was adamant that if the MEC did not agree to the reasonable changes management had requested, which are urgently needed to keep American Eagle profitable and able to compete for the AA feed against the other low cost regional carriers, management would have no option but to immediately furlough and begin to shut Eagle down. As difficult as it was for the MEC to make the decision, and we can assure the pilots that a vigorous and spirited debate occurred regarding management's requests, the MEC must be congratulated for protecting the pilot's jobs in these challenging times. True leaders know how to make difficult decisions. The pilots need to understand that at the next amendment round, in only ten years, ALPA will spare no expense to return the Eagle pilots to the top of the industry. Management is under no illusion that ALPA won't bring all of its international resources to bear, in ten years time, to stop this whipsawing and the race to the bottom. Management and ALPA respect the Eagle pilots and congratulate them for making this wise investment in their careers at American Eagle Airlines.

    Don't forget ALPA knows how to negotiate and fight for you, the Eagle pilot.

    2013 Are You Ready.jpg

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    If you're going to post something make sure it's of legible size. 450x600 is not readable.
    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

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    It says: "2013....Are You Ready?"

    Remember that, Flug? That was the last time that ALPA managed a campaign to improve the position of the AE pilots.

    Another spectacular ALpO success story!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimreaper View Post
    The source will be disclosed on January 2nd.

    Here is the bullet point rough outline of the letter ALPA National and management are currently drafting.
    Well, Grim, you give hope to those amongst the pilots who are on the Obamacare waiting list for a spine implant.

    Nothing better for the weak and cowardly among us than for the MEC to vote this in while allowing the weak 75% sisters to rail against the concessions!

    Can't wait for the MEC (and the newboy ninjas on the MEC) to explain what will go down on January 2nd. It should be highly entertaining.

    Fool me once, fool me twice and fool me again!
    Last edited by Nemesis; 12-27-2013 at 11:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    The MEC is being threatened by ALPA National and management to ignore the pilots and give up the 8-Year Agreement on January 2nd.
    Not only should this not surprise anyone, it should be totally expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemesis View Post
    It says: "2013....Are You Ready?" Remember that, Flug? That was the last time that ALPA managed a campaign to improve the position of the AE pilots.
    Another spectacular ALpO success story!
    Well, I am slow. Forgive me. It just dawned on me what ALPA meant when it said "2013....Are You Ready"

    ALPA meant 2013...Are You Ready... for more concessions

    Who was the MEC Chairman at the time of the 2013 ... Are You Ready, none other than Herb Mark, the individual that the MEC just appointed to the Negotiating Committee with the reasoning that the MEC did not have time to "spool-up" anyone else and Herb needed no training.

    2013 ...Are You Ready....for more concessions? Now you know why management requested Herb Mark - an experienced concessionaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    The MEC is being threatened by ALPA National and management to ignore the pilots and give up the 8-Year Agreement on January 2nd.
    Wow, that's news to me. Fill me in since you seem to gave some info that the MEC status reps don't even have yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimreaper View Post
    Well, I am slow. Forgive me. It just dawned on me what ALPA meant when it said "2013....Are You Ready"

    ALPA meant 2013...Are You Ready... for more concessions

    Who was the MEC Chairman at the time of the 2013 ... Are You Ready, none other than Herb Mark, the individual that the MEC just appointed to the Negotiating Committee with the reasoning that the MEC did not have time to "spool-up" anyone else and Herb needed no training.

    2013 ...Are You Ready....for more concessions? Now you know why management requested Herb Mark - an experienced concessionaire.

    Might want to check some of your facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    Wow, that's news to me.
    A lot of things are about to be "news" to you.

    Your first clue should have been the December 2nd interview that Kirby gave in Phoenix where he stated that negotiations with ALpO had resumed. Kirby did not authorize the interview to be released until December 12, as a part of the propaganda campaign directed at AE pilots. You, Cujo, told us on or about December 12 that no one from the MEC was negotiating with Kirby. That means either Kirby is a liar or he was negotiating DIRECTLY with ALpO National in DC. Well of course he was.

    Your second clue should have been the bait and switch, where you were brought to DFW, while the Players went off to DC.

    Perhaps you are a slow learner, or perhaps you cannot believe that the system is not bending to your will.

    Either way, the "news" will keep on coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    Might want to check some of your facts.
    What fact needs checking here?

    I remember the "2103 Are You Ready" battle cry. Do you not, Cujo?

    You are not saying that Herb Mark being requested by management is wrong, are you? Because, the fact is, you were not present for the discussions with management about the composition of the Negotiating Committee. One who was states unequivocally that management SPECIFICALLY asked for Herb, as he was intimately familiar with the game plan that he had helped to design previously with Bain...

    The game plan that is about to be dropped on the AE pilots.

    Stop bull$hitting, Cujo, and start taking this process a little more seriously. It is NOT a joke.

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    If there is any truth to this, then you guys are hostages to tyranny. You're also non-union, yet paying ransom (dues).

    Don't know if this is true, but I believe national has acted in this fashion previously with certain other carriers, so don't be surprised if some version of this develops.

    Wouldn't it be a total violation of ALPA constitution and by-laws for national to hijack a pilot group for their own interest ?

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    Too late to decertify Alpo they may well know were going the way of the pony express like comair so what do they care about this group any how

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    Why does Grim have such weird conversations with himself? He even has a NEW character now to add to the stable. I think we're up to 4 now. Yes, we should absolutely trust him and his babble. Let's get all worked up.

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