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    Anybody can tell me how is this new Cat 2 Tng for CA?
    I'm going soon and except from normal studies and reviewing the limitations and profiles for CAT 2, what else?
    How is the sim run during that tng session?
    Thanks for the infos.

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    Don't even stress.
    You have done more than you need to already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeFlyFreak View Post
    Don't even stress.
    You have done more than you need to already.
    This.

    I read over the CAT2 stuff 1 time before showing up, and was more than enough Prep.....they do an excellent job teaching it.

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    What aircraft

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    Make sure you know the calls and what you're supposed to do and say CA's. Heard from 1 FO where the CA didn't know or say squat and made a whole ordeal of a simple trng event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downwind View Post
    Make sure you know the calls and what you're supposed to do and say CA's. Heard from 1 FO where the CA didn't know or say squat and made a whole ordeal of a simple trng event.
    Yu...yu...you mean I have to actually be familiar with the profile before showing up for training?

    A couple of years ago I attended a training flight. The Checkairman thanked both the FO and myself for knowing our profiles. My response was something like YGTBSM. Sure, we made mistakes, but we had a general idea of what to do and that impressed the Checkairman.

    I had my Cat II cancelled due to the sim issues but have heard what others have said here; Low stress event. Review the material. Look at the profiles. Enjoy the extra sim time.

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    ^^^^ plus 1. Know your ****. If you do, you'll do fine. If you don't, you don't care or you don't deserve to be here. I'm a dumbass, full blown...if I can do it, you can too.

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    Thanks slim.

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    OK here is little de brief for the one interested:

    Briefing 2 full hours:
    Computer presentation slides description Cat2.
    Oral questions with instructor, alternated 1 Q each with F/O, he said you can fail that usual eagle pressure bull ****, but it was a non event.

    NOtes:
    CA+F/O+A/C all 3 need to be Cat 2 approved before a cat2 can be flown. Rls will show it.
    AC need to have a cat2 logged in aml previous 60 days
    Cat2 based on barometric min are NOT allowed, looked at jeppesen mins will RA not allowed.
    Also can not do ILS PRM CAT 2 and CAT3 plate together.
    Can do PRM alone and CAT 2 alone but not together
    IM (Inner Mrk)MUST NOT be on NOTAM.
    Need to hold short of ILS critical area when cat2 in use
    ATC if ceiling less than 800 Ft and or vis less than 2 sm are protecting critical area
    If doing a FCC Flight Confidence Check advise tower that u will be doing a coupled app to Cat 2.
    RA min number for Eagle 100 Ft even if plate says 95 eagle mins 100 Ft. Currently Eagle is under FAA watch for cat2, now can only do Cat1 min, RVR 1800 FT,
    After 3 month FAA green light for RVR 1200, after another 3 month FAA green light for CAT2 min.
    If it is above 100 Ft ex 102 ft on plate bring it up to upper nearest 5 ft increment ex 105 Ft. If it is 95 FT bring to 100FT due to Eagle mins.
    RA test before descent check list and on both sides cA and FO.
    If TL idle during you might get a gear NOT down during test it is ok still good test.
    Technic as soon as you finish test set RA for. Cat 2 app and pull inner marker.
    B4 reaching FAF must be in landing configuration.
    Once do cat 2 logged in AML
    Left side successful cat 2 app completed
    Right side call MOC and ask for ATA number then write
    Info to maintenance cat 2 performed in DFW RWY 18R with RVR 1800
    ACARS M65S if satisfactory.


    SIM:
    Booked for 4H but we finished in 3H.
    I was paired with an F/O.
    First 2H training, break and 1H checking.
    Tng, numerous Cat2 approaches, it is easy for Capt as long as you know your profiles because you are making all the calls and F/O does all the flying.
    Profiles are the same till 500FT, F/O always flying the app, below 500 Ft CA starts looking outside in the scan and increase outside scan as we go down to be only looking outside below 300-200 ft, Ca put his left hand on yoke and thumb on red disconnect AP button, and wait for the first of 2 clues:
    * Inner marker audible beacon
    * Minimums Minimums call by A/C
    At this point CA need to say one of 2 things: G/A or LANDING.
    If he says G/A F/O goes around.( or if he has not say anything after the 2nd G/A is heard: F/O goes around as well.)
    If he says LANDING F/O gives up the control, CA push red disconnect button, ( Limitation 80FT, so you have 20 FT to do it, from 100 to 80FT) and lands.
    RQ: it is not enough for CA to see the approaches lights in sight to call LANDING he need to see the GREEN LIGHTS at the beginning of the runway.
    Once CA calls LANDING and therefore takes control if there is a subsequent need to G/A the CA keeps the controls and G/A.

    My impressions:
    First few approaches it is kind of confusing, not use to it and changing control on the last few seconds can be scary, but after few it actually works very well, you do not have that adaptation from looking at the instruments and then looking outside where you usually screw up everything due to pilot over-controlling.
    Both of us have to know all the profiles and have no doubts on whats going on because it goes real fast from 100 FT to the runway. But F/O is programmed to G/A and CA programmed to land the duties are well split and therefore it makes it easier. Overall I like it much better than Cat1, my only beef is how often we are going to do a real Cat2? and if you are not proficient I can see problems. Maybe only every 6 month in a sim for a MIA CA...

    It is a training/checking event but don't sweat it o the checking you just re do what you did in the last 2H.
    Oh for the F/O the instructor tells the CA not to say anything at mins on 1 approach to make sure you G/A after the second MINIMUMS call....
    We did 1 app to landing, 1 G/A, 1 full stop, 1 CA says LANDING and from 100FT to runway G/A...

    Thats it.

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    The inner marker will be deleted from the profiles as we are not authorized to do cat 2 sans ra. Coming soon to a revision near you.

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    Thanks for he info. I can't believe they want us to make aml entry. I won't be doing a cat 2 appch and making an entry unless they pay.

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    So you don't crew placard as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by downwind View Post
    So you don't crew placard as well?
    Different. That's if something is broken. This is just extra paperwork. I don't get a slapped wrist if I fly a non compliment cat 2 aircraft, well unless doing a cat 2 approach (which I wouldn't). But flying something that's broken is just different. Don't you think?

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